The idea of a “Holy Grail” bag is one that has intrigued tPFers since the very inception of the PurseForum. Oftentimes it’s the shallow obsession that we so strongly encourage here – either about that particular style you’ve been fantasizing about since the moment you laid your eyes on it, or that bag you know would be absolutely impractical for your lifestyle, yet can’t help but lust over. Sometimes though, it’s the full-blown stalking of retailers and having endless correspondence with SAs/customer service personnel/resellers, scouring countless “channels”, maybe even coming across a fake or two, getting all possible contenders authenticated and finally, hunting the right one down – whew! Nothing short of a crusade, huh?
No wonder that the object of all this fascination and desire is dubbed a Holy Grail bag!
Now the Holy Grail bag itself varies widely between bag-lovers – mine, for instance, is the Sac de Jour in the large size. For PurseForum member Mallutts, however, it’s the Fendi Peekaboo Monster, either in white, or in the python version with yellow eyes. In fact, everybody’s choice of a “dream purse” is likely to be diverse and bear little or no resemblance between each other, right?
But if I may take the liberty of saying so, for the overwhelming majority of tPFers and PurseBlog readers, the Holy Grail category of handbags belong to two veteran fashion houses – Hermès and Chanel, and their respective Birkins, Kellys and Classic Flaps, or some variation of them, which routinely appear in threads like “the one that got away” and “what’s your dream bag?”. Coming in at a close third would possibly be Louis Vuitton, forming something along the lines of a Holy Grail Trio of the handbag world, but since Vuitton tends to cater to a wider audience, often preferring visibility over exclusivity or secrecy (as seen in its campaign for the Coussin), it provides an interesting contrast to how the other, more “premier” two houses usually act.
So what is it about Hermès and Chanel that is so covetable to nearly everybody all over the globe? One might say, the recognizable shape, the quality, the heritage and history of the brand, the associated sense of self-esteem, the return on investment, and probably a number of other pretty valid reasons as well. However, the same could be said of other fashion houses too, right? It’s not like Gucci is any less recognizable than Chanel, or that the likes of Loewe, Burberry or Balenciaga don’t have histories as expansive or eventful as that of Hermès. So why are these two brands in particular more desirable than the rest in the market? The answer to that probably stems from the fact that most fashion houses in the market today have adopted, much like Louis Vuitton, a strategy of increasing visibility to garner more audiences. Targeting and appearing youth-centric, technologically advanced and forward-minded is what drives these brands. So much, in fact, that Gucci has now “hacked” Balenciaga (or is it the other way around?), Bottega Veneta has acquired a completely new, “cooler” identity from previously being an understated, heritage leather atelier, and streetwear/influencer collaborations are rife.
Chanel, au contraire, maintains its distinction and sense of “unattainable-ness” by differentiating itself from all the other premier brands price-wise, and its annual price increases are a testament to that.
Recently however, what really struck me was how these brands can often “get away with” simply updating or bringing spin-offs to their older designs rather than creating something different and new. One look at Chanel’s Métiers d’Art 2021 or Cruise 2022 collections shows a motley assortment of the Classic Flap in its numerous variations – using everything under the sun from shearling to beads to pearls and studs.
Yes, you get to see lots of new iterations like the Belt Bag for your thighs (I’m sure that is supposed to be highly functional). But that’s just what they are, variations, as opposed to actual new designs. The Classic Flap is of course a staple, but sometimes I want to see new designs and even new bag names! These diametrically different designs below from the Métiers d’Art 2021 collection, for instance, are all called the Flap Bag:
Chanel Mini Flap Bag:
Chanel Small Flap Bag:
Chanel Flap Bag:
Chanel Flap Bag (really?!):
In fact, variations aside, the last big release from Chanel that did receive a lot of fanfare was the Chanel 19, which was introduced nearly 2 years ago on the March of 2019. But Chanel continues to be one of the most beloved bag brands, new designs aside.
By comparison, what does Hermès’ have to offer as of late? Well, surprisingly perhaps, their Spring/Summer 2021 collection actually did come up with two new silhouettes, the Perspective Cavaliere and the Sac Mors a Bride bag, the Autumn/Winter 2021 brought us the Hermèsway, while Spring/Summer 2020 brought the Emile – a slew of pretty cool designs that you would imagine took the world by storm, right? Nope, these were completely overshadowed by, you might have guessed, the speculations surrounding the 3-in-1 Birkin and the Cargo HAC, updated takes on the brand’s more popular staples, while the brand’s level of secrecy and total lack of any apparent marketing aren’t doing the newer designs any favours either. In fact, Hermès has a pretty vast range of product offerings that, unless you’re an Hermès insider or follow the brand religiously, you’re unlikely to ever be privy to know. Recently, I learned about 30+ different clutches from Hermès and I seriously wonder how many of them anybody actually knows about.
So then, you might ask, what’s the conclusion? Are Holy Grail brands out of ideas? Should you shift your attention and devotion elsewhere? Well…not quite. I think part-and-parcel of buying a Holy Grail bag is that it is, in fact, supposedly “unattainable”, and Chanel and Hermès, with their highly differentiated products, price-wise and otherwise, offer an outlet for bag-lovers to exercise their passion and join the thrill of the hunt. It’s only natural, therefore, that these fashion houses don’t make buying their products easy. Just like you can’t walk into Hermès and ask for a Birkin, you can’t walk into Chanel and ask for a Mini Flap either when the one you mean is the Métiers d’Art 2021 Mini Velvet Flap with gem-encrusted flower-shaped hardware. Plus Hermès’ strategy of making you wait for their Holy Grail items has the added advantage (for them) of tempting buyers to go on purchasing their other, relatively more obscure bags and accessories, sparing them the need for more mainstream modern media like streetwear campaigns.
Similarly, given that both these brands have their signature accessories like the Birkins and Flaps to fall back on, they don’t have to rely as much on an “innovative product” as much as other, newer brands might, who then are forced to use social media and influencers to promote their “new” products. And of course, there’s the eternal debate as to how radically different can a bag’s design be? The answer? Probably not much.
So yes, thanks to a number of different factors, Hermès and Chanel have established themselves as Holy Grails, and given how their bags are the ones that perform best on the resale market, it’s likely to remain that way for quite some time now. But are we going to get a big release from them anytime soon? Well, as the cast of all the Spidermen movies used to say, “with great power comes great responsibility”, I think it’s natural that these houses would take some (or maybe a lot of) time in devising a new design since they’d feel the responsibility to get it “just right” in order to maintain the position they have acquired in the market.
BUT we can always hope. And wait for the 3-in-1 Birkin because honestly, it’s gorgeous.
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Chanel makes the same old bag over and over and over again. The price goes up. The quality goes down.
Are bags ever an investment? Do people actually make more money selling their bags than they initially paid? Buy a bag because you love it.
People have been saying for 30 years that Chanel quality is going down. At this point, wouldn’t it be papier mâché and scotch tape?
It doesn’t work that way. It’s not just deterioration of materials. It’s also shoddy workmanship and an increase in the number of bags with quality issues.
These are people who are suffering from selection bias. They buy 2-3 bags and call themselves a Chanel fan lolll
I don’t call myself a Chanel fan at all. But I’m curious…just how many bags must these people own to call themselves a Chanel fans?
If you are a fan, you buy not just the bags,
you buy their shoes, rtw, jewelry, parfums etc. Owning their bags make you their casual buyer. You dont need to own every color. But you know what I mean. Also as mentioned before Chanel is not the only brand with quality issues, a lot of brands also have them. It is just that Chanel is the most talked about brand.
It doesn’t matter if someone owns one bag vs 5 bags plus lots of RTW. If you pay $5000+ for a handbag, there shouldn’t be quality issues. Chanel doesn’t respect their customers, frequent or casual.
I disagree, we bought a 5000 handbag because of the name and possibly the aesthetics that comes with it. Otherwise, we wont be on purseforum. Maybe we could just buy an equally made bag for 100 instead of Chanel.
But I agree with you that they dont respect their customers for quality issues if there’s any (fortunately, the bags I had still looks excellent except for one with loose stitches) But that’s business for them, we can be priced out of existence and Chanel will still be there because their bags are so far desirable to many.
These are the questions that keep me up at night.
They do, really?
Yes!
The issue re: the deterioration of quality of Chanel bags has grown more troubling over the last few years. I’ve been enjoying Chanel bags for years, but things have changed. With more recent purchases, and after less than a month of use, I see loose stitching, cracked leather, extreme corner rubs, etc. Also, with price increases (another expected increase on July 1st) I can’t justify the price for the quality.
Many people enjoy them and will continue to buy them, but if I spend $4000 + on a bag I expect it to last for years. Maybe I’m old fashioned since I don’t understand, and haven’t bought into, the mass consumerism and disposability that I see more of these days. My opinion doesn’t matter to Chanel & won’t put a dent in their profits, but the house of Chanel has changed too much to continue to support it.
I guess that’s why vintage Chanel seems to be gaining a lot more traction nowadays. I really like certain obscure designs they had in the past.
Chanel price increases are ridiculous so I bought my first Flap on Fashionphile. I’m not paying 1k more for no reason, I want the bag and there are excellent condition ones for the old prices.Eventually the price increases are going to be a major turn off, just save up more and buy a Birkin or an exotic from another designer. Lately I’ve been on Fendi, it’s more interesting, quality is there as well. It’s refreshing. But my Holy Grail bag is my first Sac de Jour (medium) in Red. It’s minimal but it’s clean and makes a statement without trying.
Mine is the SDJ too!! High five!
It’s an underrated bag!
Very true! It truly deserves more attention!
I love the fact that Chanel makes the classics over and over. I know my money is going for an iconic bag that will be relevant for years to come. There are always seasonal bags to choose from. I can only speak to the quality from my experience but I have several Chanel bags and I love every one of them. I have never had quality issues.
I’m so glad that all your Chanel are alright, it seems to be becoming rarer nowadays with so much complaints about quality issues.
In a word…yes. Burberry used to be my fave. I have over 200 Burberry bags alone! Now, everything they turn out is ABSOLTELY ugly! I wouldn’t carry their bags if someone bought them for me! 🙁
Are you fond of the older, checkered designs?
I am. I have many bags that are iterations of their famous house check: exploded check, smoke check, etc. However, I TRULY prefer the exotics. One of my favorites is a python bucket bag that I purchased there. If they could make a satchel in that same dreamy leather… *imagining bliss* sjm
I can imagine Sheryl, I have a thing for python too! I’d totally love to see their Belt Tote in python, but given how this style has somewhat fallen out of Burberry’s favour, that seems unlikely now.
Have you seen their new mythical alphabet time capsule? Talk about being out-of-touch with your constituents! *sm rolling eyes*
I can imagine it appealing to a very select crowd maybe, but no it doesn’t look like Burberry at all. Very Medieval.
I just spotted the very first Chanel that has ever interested me. They’ve got my attention now.
Oooh, which is it?
I believe the bag you lust over no matter the brand is relevant. I have both Chanel and Hermes and don’t just have one or two but I lust after a Gucci python bag ,drawstring. I still see it,such a beauty.
Wise words Sandra. And lust-worthy too, I’ve been on the lookout for a python bag too that I can use everywhere and never be able to afford.
After all the ideas have run out, it’s time to call your bread&butter bags “Classics” and jack up the prices. Case in point; Chanel, LV, Mulberry, and so many others.
“Bread & Butter Bags” are my new favourite phrase! You’re very right!